V14 - First Impressions

[_kilconey]

Blades more overpowered than a BP? Yeah right. The amount of money I invested in putting together an asal set for my BP cost me about 4 bil - that put me at roughly 130K pvp asal, enough to wipe out the whole server minus 2/3 people in my own guild.

I spent another 4 bil on my blade. That got me an LGA+10/9 Electric with 13% Crit Damage, translated to maybe 2-3K more damage or so and about 50K higher end crits.

The amount of money you'll have to spend to make a blade just as good in pvp as a BP is a ton more than the amount you'll have to spend for the BP.

[rjsauteur]

LOL??

okay, 800m for two CLEAN lgas to get you 30-40k crits. 800m worth of asal gear can get you double that with ease. heck, my level 80 bp with 10m or so worth of asal gear has 20-25k asal, and he is a dex bp.

well whatever, i dont even use my bp for asal... so the nerf should be done since the only thing it will help fix is seige and stuff, but still, you cant deny that a blade is almsot more usefull in seige than a bp.. they can make people sitting ducks with sneaker

[ayme]

Oh, my first impression of v14 would have to be...

Shaduwar: Made for higher level people, which I haven't gotten to yet. So, I can't really experience it.

Ancient and Vampire Weapons: For Master and Hero status, which I have yet to obtain. So, I can't experience that either.

New Monsters: High level monsters that I won't get much of a chance to experience either.

Instance Dungeon: Made for high level people which, of course, I'm not there, so I can't experience it.

Improved Upgrading: I'm poor both in real life, and in the game so this does nothing for me.

Wings: From what I could tell, this'll be a CS item. And, just like the last one, I won't be getting them either.

So, all in all, v14 is one big ball of "nothing-I-can-do," just like things always are. Plus, with there being a 3-minute cooldown on Prevention, my one character that might actually make it into the higher levels will be nerfed into nothing.

Meh... I'm not that excited about it.

[val_is_posting]

Yea, definitely v14 is oriented to end-game, so there's nothing for the low/middle levels.

I wouldn't mind seeing more random dungeons and quests that are worth doing for lower levels as well. Oh well, maybe on v15 x;.

[henwin]

Just realized that if Int Aoe's don't want to be INT AOE rm's cuz of the prev cooldown...how are they gonna sell their Rymith set DX...Q.Q

[lorenzv]

NOOOOOOO Cooooooldwoooown on prevention ):

[HibikiTokai]

Yea, definitely v14 is oriented to end-game, so there's nothing for the low/middle levels.

I wouldn't mind seeing more random dungeons and quests that are worth doing for lower levels as well. Oh well, maybe on v15 x;.

Maybe instances for lower or not-so-high levels... I hope.

[filia_chan]

Just realized that if Int Aoe's don't want to be INT AOE rm's cuz of the prev cooldown...how are they gonna sell their Rymith set DX...Q.Q

They'd be naive to sell that anyway, the same set can be used for Merk/Crack and/or sieges. /ridicule

NOOOOOOO Cooooooldwoooown on prevention ):

Please, unless you care to elaborate, I will start picking on your "3-reply" post count.

[ayme]

Just realized that if Int Aoe's don't want to be INT AOE rm's cuz of the prev cooldown...how are they gonna sell their Rymith set DX...Q.Q

It won't get sold. With RMs having a low DEF and ATK, they'll have to start pounding in some more STA, take half the mobs they normally could, and take 5 times as long to level as other AoE classes (instead of the current rate of 2 times as long)

Most likely, Aeonsoft will come out with a Scroll of Anti-Cooldown in v15 to make more money.

[delicately]

I like this version! I think the added wings are an interesting feature, even though they're CS. I like the concept of new team oriented raids because they look like they might not just be RM+Blade only.

The new levelling area looks so pretty, but I don't like how the spawns appeared so spread out. It's just....deterring to even level there. D:

Develling the desert mobs to 9x opens up a ton more possibilities for me to level at freely, as well as making a character strictly to farm within that area for quest items & gianting. So yay for additional levelling places I guess kinda D:? That doesn't involve CS or paying money every time you leave/enter. D:

As a full supporting RM, I'm glad for the prevention cooldown, but I'm not going to get into that because I think it's a topic that's been beaten to death one too many times.

Overall I think it's pretty cool, but I'd like to see a more developed story line that ties in these instances and perhaps more unique ones to do that land you items or certain new things. >:

[rjsauteur]

I like this version! I think the added wings are an interesting feature, even though they're CS. I like the concept of new team oriented raids because they look like they might not just be RM+Blade only.

The new levelling area looks so pretty, but I don't like how the spawns appeared so spread out. It's just....deterring to even level there. D:

Develling the desert mobs to 9x opens up a ton more possibilities for me to level at freely, as well as making a character strictly to farm within that area for quest items & gianting. So yay for additional levelling places I guess kinda D:? That doesn't involve CS or paying money every time you leave/enter. D:

As a full supporting RM, I'm glad for the prevention cooldown, but I'm not going to get into that because I think it's a topic that's been beaten to death one too many times.

Overall I think it's pretty cool, but I'd like to see a more developed story line that ties in these instances and perhaps more unique ones to do that land you items or certain new things. >:

i have to say, i agree with most of this, except the blade + rm thing... when you could the idea of that in conjuntion with the prevention cooldown, a meteo partner rm will now have quite a hard time.. i have a partner that kills meteo in 15 mins-ish and when she gets one hit k.oed, i tank the meteo while i rebuff/ress her... i dont see how a ringmaster will really be able to do that, even with gold pills and food i am still hitting prevention every few mins...

second, yes the wings are a new thing, as with the dungeon raids(if you wanna call them that) this gives us yet another thing that makes us better then WoW ./win

third.. yea, the tpoic of the prev cooldown has been beaten to death, v14 should have no prevention period then... would solve alot of people freaking out... plain and simple, i am restatting to 1v1 anyway, ther eyou are gala, and extra $20 for yew <3

fourth a first impression for me... is that v14 brings with it one of the more influental things i have seen in my time playing (since the end of v11) with all the new people that will be hunting for these wepons.. everyone should be ready with their pocketbooks out and ready to sign over half the cash on the server to get one of the first of these wepons per server ;D

[delicately]

I'm not talking about meteo, I don't care for that - but I've seen friends on their high levelled RMs deal with meteo and they weren't consistently recasting the skill. Every single boss in the game can pretty much be dealt with just with an RM & Blade, with or without that stupid Prevention. Best 2 man team for CW? 2 man team for meteo? Even Tower Siege is pretty much an RM & Blade fest with more CS.

With these instances, you'll need a better team than just blades due to the fact the final boss has a ton of block rate, and getting a knight-type tank & mages in your team as well.

[rjsauteur]

I'm not talking about meteo, I don't care for that - but I've seen friends on their high levelled RMs deal with meteo and they weren't consistently recasting the skill. Every single boss in the game can pretty much be dealt with just with an RM & Blade, with or without that stupid Prevention. Best 2 man team for CW? 2 man team for meteo? Even Tower Siege is pretty much an RM & Blade fest with more CS.

With these instances, you'll need a better team than just blades due to the fact the final boss has a ton of block rate, and getting a knight-type tank & mages in your team as well.

the tower seige ~i participated in with my rm sure~ but my guild has a few eles and a few psys combined with one a few blades and a bj... the rms in tower unless tehy are a full sta hero are basicly for buffing stations/ressers

[coolmc]

I have played the game for about 3 years off and on and I think the updates have just made it to where its not that fun anymore I wonder how much longer it will last before everyone gets tired of it

[jettebreak]

Okay, i don't know if Cromiell or any other GM's read this. (I think most likely not)

But if they do, they would hopefully understand the depression and helplessness that the community and player feels when they decide to do something this drastic to the game.

When absolutely NO one complains about prevention not having cool down. And that RM's actually CAN'T lvl properly without it. Even if we're amping in exp event, Supporting another player gives us so little exp it would take around 200 hours to gain a lvl or even a half lvl. (Over lvl 110 that is)

I sincerely hope the Devs/Gm's think this through before they decide to add it into the game when v14 launches.
because if they don't, i bet over 50% of flyff players will quit and v14 will be the end of FlyFF forever.
Since no one would want to play RM anymore, wich results in no assisting to other classes wich says that they can't lvl etc...

Call me whiner if you want, but i've been here longer than most of you and i know what i'm talking about.

If prevention get 3 min cooldown in v14, 50% of FlyFF players will quit, and eventually the game will die, before any eventual v15.

~Stig Andreas, FlyFF player since 2005 from Norway.

Ive been on for awhile my self. for around three years i think. It sucks to hear tha about rms. i got one my self though is more for fsing then anything else. I also have a bow jester which get alot of crap from people being owned in the arenas and what not. But my point is i agree with you alot of people will leave if they screw with the arms and evne bow jesters if you think about it. People who put alot of time and hard work in to these charcters andim not saying that people with blade knights bps and the others have not but player made classes such as Battle rms and just rm's them selves alogn with the bow jests are going to lose out badly becuase of these changes.. I think the admins should jsut leave things as it other then a few changes and just leave the charaters alone..

[filia_chan]

50% of FlyFF players will quit

Did you know that 90% of presented statistics are usually made up? /ridicule

[stigownedyou]

50% of FlyFF players will quit

Did you know that 90% of presented statistics are usually made up? /ridicule

Have you heard about examples?

Did you know that the ones taking everything litterally, usually feels un-noticed?

[pedington]

my soul gets eaten piece by piece D: i so wanna die T-T ye beeing emo xD

LOVE U STIG ;P

[yoshimitsu2332]

CMON GALA U CANT BE SERIOUS WITH THE PREV COOL DOWN CRAP ur gonna lose SO many ppl and no more Bj ur gonna lose even more what gala seriously .........................im sorry i love this game but if ur gonna go through with this i quit

[filia_chan]

50% of FlyFF players will quit

Did you know that 90% of presented statistics are usually made up? /ridicule

Have you heard about examples?

Did you know that the ones taking everything literally, usually feel un-noticed?

That's not really relevant to what I was saying. A lot of people tend to believe they know everything there is to know, when, in fact, they may be as far as 180 degrees off course, simply because they actually know/understand too little.

CMON GALA U CANT BE SERIOUS WITH THE PREV COOL DOWN CRAP ur gonna lose SO many ppl and no more Bj ur gonna lose even more

1. Prev. only affects current merk-only RMs, it's not zomgtheapocalypseallourcharsaregonnagetdeleted!!! It's really not.
2. BJs will be the same as before. They don't need bows anwyays. (duh)

[bibijul]

1. Prev. only affects current merk-only RMs, it's not zomgtheapocalypseallourcharsaregonnagetdeleted!!! It's really not.

only merk RMs ??? what about all BP AoErs and others RMs ??? they all need prevention................

[filia_chan]

only merk RMs ??? what about all BP AoErs and others RMs ??? they all need prevention................

My BP didn't need it when it was AoE-ing 5-7 levels above its own level.. in NPC gear +3.
Prevention is mainly just luxury, for all assists.

[rjsauteur]

CMON GALA U CANT BE SERIOUS WITH THE PREV COOL DOWN CRAP ur gonna lose SO many ppl and no more Bj ur gonna lose even more what gala seriously .........................im sorry i love this game but if ur gonna go through with this i quit

i dont see how anything in this update affects a bow jester, you made a jester built for bows BECAUSE you dident want to use an ultimate bow, not to mention, you built it so you would barely ever have to use food, like a merk only rm in v13... so dont say they ruined it, because they dident, they simply helped balance out rangers who dopnt get the luxury of massive ammounts of crit rate

[val_is_posting]

For the 100th time, BPS. DO NOT. NEED PREVENTION. If your BP does, then your BP sucks, sorry. If elementors can tank without having the luxury of high HP per STA, a shield, a fast AoE that stuns, HP modifiers on their weapons nor prevention, I don't see how BPs will suddendly be unable to AoE because prev gets a cooldown.

And RMs? RMs will live. You guys are all overreacting.

[heosjester]

[quote="rjsauteur"

Lol I guess. Although really I dont mind blade's damage. They have their downfalls.[/quote]
heos... you fail to see how a blade is more over powered?
a bp (resonably equiped with asal gear) (also in my own opinion) can hit 30-50k asal
however, a resonaly equpied blade( we are talking with lgaxes ehre) can do the same ammount of damage (averaged out of the time spam of how long asal has to cool, and then recast) in fact.. i think they do way more... but thats jsut me...[/quote]

Lol.....

My lvl 90 BP in vagrant gear, after switching my tiger and vigors over from my YJ can hit 70k asal and get 30k HP.

At lvl 90.

Go make a lvl 90 Blade, and try and get it to do better then that.

You realize that its not just damage over time.

1. Blades can be blocked and ARE blocked. A lot. Asal cant be blocked.
2. Blade crits can be fooded through, once they hit you you can use food. You can spam remantis. When a BP hits you you die. No fooding, nothing. Your dead.

Blades - even though they do lots of damage - level slow compared to AoE classes.

So in PvM? Not overpowered. Fast 1v1 sure, but not fastest levelers by a longshot.
In PvP? Still not overpowered. Strong? With lots of money yes. But they're on par with YJs, and BPs are still better. And other classes can still do well. Not that overpowered.
In gianting? Yeah overpowered. -shrug-, but the bosses are so strong that if blades couldn't do it noone could.